Saturday, June 16, 2018

RACP Medical Journal of Australia response to push for routine infant circumcision in Australia

In a recent editorial, Cooper and colleagues recommend increasing infant circumcision to combat increasing rates of heterosexual transmission of HIV infection, and contend that the major obstacle to increasing male circumcision in Australia is a Royal Australasian College of Physicians (RACP) policy. [1]


“The case for boosting infant male circumcision in the face of rising heterosexual transmission of HIV” . . . and now the case against

David A Forbes, John W Travis, Sarah J Buckley, Paul Mason, Ken McGrath, Robert S Van Howe, George Williams, Anthony N Lyons, Marian Pitts, Anthony Smith, Jeffrey Grierson, Niall Conroy, Gregory J Boyle, George Hill, Robert J L Darby, Bruce R Paix, Jeremy J Chin, David A Cooper, Alex D Wodak and Brian J Morris

Med J Aust 2011; 194 (2): 97.
Published online: 17 January 2011


In September, after a literature review and analysis, the RACP released a revised policy on infant male circumcision, concluding that the frequency of diseases modifiable by circumcision, the level of protection offered by circumcision and the complication rates of circumcision do not warrant routine infant circumcision in Australia and New Zealand. [2] While evidence of HIV prevention by circumcision is strong in high-prevalence settings with predominantly heterosexual transmission, [3] this is not so in low-prevalence environments where homosexual transmission is more important. [4] Evidence of the protective effect of circumcision against other sexually transmitted infections in Australia is limited. [5]
Cooper et al’s comparison of circumcision with vaccines is misleading. Protection against HIV by circumcision is predominantly for males, and the risk for females may increase. [6] There is minimal protection against homosexual acquisition of HIV. [4]
The RACP acknowledges the strong and differing opinions on this topic, ranging from the strong pro-circumcision views of Cooper et al to the equally strong diametrically opposed views of the Royal Dutch Medical Association, which believes that (for reasons of ethics and medical risks) legal prohibition of infant circumcision is warranted. [7]
The RACP recognises the important role of parents in decision making, and recommends that parents contemplating circumcision of their newborn sons be carefully apprised of the risks and benefits. If they elect to proceed with circumcision, the procedure should be undertaken in a safe child-friendly environment, with appropriate analgesia, and by an appropriately trained, competent practitioner who is capable of dealing with complications. We believe that this approach safeguards the social and community interests of children, and offers protection from unnecessary surgical risks. [2]
The RACP does not accept that its policy on circumcision of infant males represents an obstacle to effective public health policy — it believes that, at present, the evidence does not allow a recommendation for widespread infant male circumcision and that Cooper et al have misrepresented this evidence. In the interests of children, and of public health more generally, it is important that this evidence be kept under review and decisions that could lead to increased morbidity and mortality of children only be made when it is clear that the benefits very clearly outweigh any risks.
David A Forbes, Chair, Policy and Advocacy Committee Paediatrics and Child Health Division, Royal Australasian College of Physicians, Sydney.
1. Cooper DA, Wodak AD, Morris BJ. The case for boosting infant male circumcision in the face of rising heterosexual transmission of HIV [editorial]. Med J Aust 2010; 193: 318-319.
2. Royal Australasian College of Physicians. Circumcision of infant males. Sydney: RACP, 2010.
3. Siegfried N, Muller M, Deeks JJ, Volmink J. Male circumcision for prevention of heterosexual acquisition of HIV in men. Cochrane Database Syst Rev 2009; (2): CD003362. 
4. Templeton DJ, Jin F, Mao L, et al. Circumcision and risk of HIV infection in Australian homosexual men. AIDS 2009; 23: 2347-2351. 
5. Templeton DJ, Jin F, Prestage GP, et al. Circumcision and risk of sexually transmissible infections in a community-based cohort of HIV-negative homosexual men in Sydney, Australia. J Infect Dis 2009; 200: 1813-1819. 
6. Wawer MJ, Makumbi F, Kigozi G, et al. Circumcision in HIV-infected men and its effect on HIV transmission to female partners in Rakai, Uganda: a randomised controlled trial. Lancet 2009; 374: 229-237. 
7. Royal Dutch Medical Association. Non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors. Utrecht: KNMG, 2010. 

Link to Intact America = http://intactamerica.org/

Tuesday, June 5, 2018

The mindset difference of American Medical Scientists when it comes to Female circumcision vs Male circumcision Research

Below I have cut and paste the research presentation "Female Circumcision and HIV Infection in Tanzania:
for Better or for Worse?" by Rebecca Y. Stallings, from Missouri State University.

The research was conducted to try and gather data to validate the hypothesis by K.E. Kun that female circumcision caused an elevated risk for HIV infection.  

Note the political/medical discussions of that time, that epidemic levels of HIV infections in Africa were being blamed on lack of circumcision in males, and a positive incidence of circumcision in females.  A bit of opposing logic here.  Cut genitals on one gender, the females, will increase the likelihood of HIV infection, versus uncut genitals in the male gender, being the cause of 
increased likelihood of HIV infections in men?  Logical?

The question needs to be posed, as to how much the culture of the American researchers influences such logic?  Americans support and practice male circumcision, but abhor the practice of female circumcision.  Could this have influenced such an a priori hypotheses?

The results of the research showed that female circumcision reduced HIV infections by a significant margin, and the researchers were not happy, as per following "The surprising and perplexing significant inverse association between reported female circumcision and HIV seropositivity remained highly statistically significant in the final logistic regression model, despite the presence of other significant potential confounders, namely, geographic zone, household wealth index, woman´s age, lifetime sex partners, and current/past union status".  Rather than be happy for the women that they were protected from HIV they were palpably disappointed.

Further Findings "The couples analysis also suggests a protective effect, real or not, of female
circumcision" "The surprising and perplexing significant inverse association between reported female circumcision and HIV seropositivity has not been explained by other variables available and examined in these analyses"

This next statement is telling for their lack of curiosity or unwillingness to speculate, as seems to be so common with male circumcision research.   "As no biological mechanism seems plausible, we conclude that it is due to irreducible confounding".  If American researchers are willing to speculate or hypothesise that male genitals have virus entry points, why isn't it permissable to speculate that female genitals have viral entry points also?  Cultural bias?

Female Circumcision and
HIV Infection in Tanzania:
for Better or for Worse?
Rebecca Y. Stallings,
χ
2
Statisticus Consultoris, USA and
Emilian Karugendo,
National Bureau of Statistics,
Tanzania
Data Source
This analysis and its findings are
derived from the 2003-04 Tanzania
HIV/AIDS Indicator Survey (the THIS),
which is currently available for public
use. The first author received
permission from the National Bureau of
Statistics in Tanzania to conduct this
work prior to the official release of the
data set to the public.
Introduction
Female circumcision, also referred to
as female genital cutting (FGC) and
female genital mutilation (FGM), is
most prevalent in Africa. The practice
has been linked to obstetrical and
gynecological problems in addition to
mental and physical trauma that may
result from the more severe forms of
the procedure and has hence been
widely condemned for both ethical and
health reasons by the World Health
Organization and other entities
involved with Human Rights.
(continued)
WHO has defined 4 types of circumcision:
I. Clitoridectomy
II. Excision (cutting of both the clitoris and
part or all of the labia minora)
III. Infibulation (cutting of all external
genitalia with stitching of the vaginal
opening)
IV. Other less radical forms including
pricking and piercing
It has been estimated that 80-85% of female
circumcision is either type I or II.
K.E.Kun proposed 4 hypothetical
mechanisms by which female
circumcision could result in an
elevated risk of HIV infection
(ref. K.E.Kun, 1997, Intl J Gynecology
and Obstetrics)
I.
Female circumcision
Infection/scarring
Partial/complete occlusion of the vagina
Greater risk of inflammation/bleeding during
intercourse
Disruption of the genital epithelium/exposure
to blood/penile abrasions which have been
reported to enhance risk of HIV infection
II.
Female circumcision
Painful/difficult vaginal penetration
Increased practice of anal
intercourse, which has been
shown to enhance the efficiency
of HIV transmission
III.
Female circumcision
Higher incidence of obstructed
labor and tearing
Hemorrhage
Higher risk of blood transfusion;
blood supply may not be optimally
screened for HIV
IV.
Use of unsterilized instruments to
perform the female circumcision
procedure
Exposure to blood contaminated by
the virus
(continued)
While WHO and the International Federation
of Gynecology and Obstetrics publicly
postulated that female circumcision might be
a risk factor for HIV infection as long ago as
1992, very little research has been published
to date examining this relationship.
In light of the alarming spread of HIV among
females in a number of African countries
where female circumcision continues to be
practiced, the dearth of work on this question
is somewhat perplexing.
Prior Studies
3 published studies were identified which
looked at the association between female
circumcision and HIV infection;
All 3 studies were conducted in the
Kilimanjaro region of Tanzania
•S.E.Msuya et al, 2002, Tropical Medicine
and Intl Health
0.64 [95% CI = 0.26<RR<1.57]; N=379
•S.H.Kapiga et al, 2002, JAIDS
1.29 [95% CI =0.88<RR<1.90];N=312
•E.Klouman et al, 2005, Tropical Medicine
and Intl Health
1.19 [95% CI=0.45<RR<3.16];N=392
Tanzania HIV/AIDS Indicator Survey
All protocols were reviewed and given ethical
clearance by the National Institute for Medical
Research (NIMR)
A nationally representative probability sample
of households was selected, excluding
Zanzibar, which had recently been similarly
surveyed
Data collection took place from December
2003-March 2004 and was conducted by
trained interviewers, all of whom were nurses
from the Ministry of Health
(continued)
Participants aged 15-49 were
interviewed and asked to give informed
consent for the collection of capillary
blood by finger-prick for HIV testing
All participants were offered free VCT at
their closest center regardless of their
consent
For participants consenting to the
procedure, a set of unique barcoded
labels was used to provide an
anonymous link
(Continued)
HIV testing was conducted at the
national reference laboratory at
Muhimbili University College of Health
Sciences
Cleaned questionnaire data was
anonymously linked to results from the
HIV testing using the barcodes after the
destruction of the end pages of the
questionnaires
Response Rates
Households selected: 6901
…interviewed 6499
…response rate 98.5%
Eligible women 7154
…interviewed 6863
…response rate 95.9%
…interview & HIV test result 6061
…response rate for both 84.7%
Distribution of reported female
circumcision
The highest reported rates of female
circumcision were found in the Northern
regions of Tanzania bordering Kenya, and in
the regions directly south of those, ranging
from 20% in Iringa to 73% in Manyara. These
adjacent regions hence form a central belt
from North to South.
Other than in the capital city of Dar es
Salaam (7%), the rate did not exceed 3%
elsewhere in the country
Ethnicity was not collected but may explain
the regional clustering wrt female
circumcision rates.
Age at time of circumcison, type of
procedure, and practitioner
Age at time of circumcision, type of procedure,
and practitioner were not collected in the 2003-
04 THIS, but were included in the 1996 DHS
74% of women in 1996 who self-reported
having been circumcised said that the
procedure was performed by a “circumcision
practitioner” (91% in Lake zone)
Doctors or trained nurses/midwives were most
frequently reported by women in the Northern
Highlands (6.9%)
The next 2 slides show distributions of age and
type by zone
Age at circumcision by zone
0
10
20
30
40
50
60
70
0-5 yrs 6-10 yrs 11-15 yrs 16+ yrs miss/dk
Coastal N Highlands Lake Central S Highlands
Type of procedure by zone
0
10
20
30
40
50
60
70
80
90
clitoridectomy
excision
infibulation
Coastal N Highlands Lake Central S Highlands
Distribution of female HIV infection
HIV infection among women aged 15-44
ranged from 2.0-15.2% by region
Among the 10 (of 21) regions with the highest
reported female circumcision rates (>=20%),
only 4 were among the 10 regions with the
highest female HIV infection rates
The regions with female HIV infection rates
>10% were Mbeya, Iringa, Dar es Salaam,
and Pwani
Potential confounders available and
examined
Demographic characteristics
•Region
Household wealth index
•Age
Educational attainment
• Occupation
Time in current residence
• Religion
(continued)
Marriage and sexual activity
Age at sexual debut
Age when began cohabiting
Currently married or living with partner
Number of wives of husband/partner
Lifetime sex partners
Sex partners in last 12 months
Use of alcohol during recent sexual liasons
Ability to say “no” to having sex with recent
partners
(continued)
Symptoms of sexually transmitted
diseases
Genital sore or ulcer in last 12 months
Bad smelling abnormal discharge in last
12 months
Potential exposure to contaminated blood
Any injection in last 12 months
Any blood transfusion in last 12 months
Methods
•The χ
2
test of association was used to
examine the bivariate relationships between
potential HIV risk factors with both
circumcision and HIV serostatus
Logistic regression was used to reduce the
model to those factors remaining statistically
significantly associated with HIV serostatus
and to adjust circumcision status for those
factors
All analyses were performed using the latest
version of the Statistical Analysis System
(SAS)
Results
The crude relative risk of HIV
infection among women reporting
to have been circumcised versus
not circumcised was
0.51 [95% CI =0.38<RR<0.70]
The power (1 – ß) to detect this
difference is 99%
Logistic Regression Models
Each variable that was statistically significant in the
simple bivariate analyses was added to a separate
simple logistic regression model to predict HIV
serostatus, together with circumcision status
Additional logistic models were run which
combined those variables which remained
significant in their individual models, together with
circumcision status
Models were further restricted to include only those
women who had ever been sexually active
A final model was selected in which all variables
remain statistically significant
Final Logistic Regression Model
n=5284 ever sexually active women
(continued on following slides)
0.880.410.60Circumsized
3.771.282.20Genital ulcer
in last 12
mos
UL 95% CILL 95% CIOR estimateEffect
(continued)
UL 95% CILL 95% CIOR estimateEffect
Regional
zone
1.00Central (ref).
2.250.721.27Northern
highlands
2.070.691.19Coastal
1.590.480.87Southern
5.091.632.88Southern
highlands
1.730.560.99Lake
(continued)
UL 95% CILL 95% CIOR estimateEffect
6.152.784.135th
(highest)
4.862.253.314th
2.761.211.833rd
2.050.861.332nd
1.001st
(lowest)
HH wealth
index
quintile
(continued)
UL 95% CILL 95% CIOR estimateEffect
3.250.811.6245-49
4.891.402.6240-44
5.121.562.8235-39
7.202.304.0730-34
4.561.462.5825-29
3.631.172.0620-24
1.0015-19 (ref.)
Age (years)
(continued)
UL 95% CILL 95% CIOR estimateEffect
6.871.763.476-10
4.892.173.265
5.282.233.434
3.591.802.543
3.081.642.252
1.001 (ref.)
Lifetime sex
partners
(continued)
UL 95% CILL 95% CIOR estimateEffect
5.212.003.23In 2+ prior
unions
4.812.653.57In 1 prior
union
2.501.331.82In 2+
union
2.241.041.53Never in
union
1.00In 1st
union (ref.)
Union
status
Discussion
The surprising and perplexing significant
inverse association between reported female
circumcision and HIV seropositivity remained
highly statistically significant in the final
logistic regression model, despite the
presence of other significant potential
confounders, namely, geographic zone,
household wealth index, woman´s age,
lifetime sex partners, and current/past union
status
Some additional analyses were undertaken
using those women for whom a male partner
was interviewed and could be linked (n=2305)
Couples analysis (male x female)
UL 95% CILL 95% CIRR estimate
that both
partners are
+ for the
factor
Factor
examined
19.96.911.7Genital
ulcer
9.03.35.4Abnormal
discharge
10.35.07.1Circum-
cised
15.88.511.6HIV
positive
Muslim women are more likely
than other women to be married
to a partner of the same religion
90.5 82 75.2 68.4
0
20
40
60
80
100
Muslim Catholic Protestant None
Percent of women married to partner of
same religion
Relative Risk of HIV infection for the
Female Partner by circumcision status
UL 95% CILL 95% CIRR estimateComparison
made
1.420.660.97Male circ
vs neither
0.960.310.55Both circ
vs neither
0.970.330.56Both circ
vs male
only
Discussion continued
The couples analysis also suggests a
protective effect, real or not, of female
circumcision
There are several important risk factors which
were not collected in the 2003-04 THIS which
might be explanatory confounders of this
perplexing conundrum, including ethnic
group, age at time of circumcision and type of
circumcision
In 6 of the 10 regions with the highest female
circumcision rates, the HIV seroprevalence
among males is <5%, and is <3% in 3 of
them. In such cases, a lower transmission
risk may be an explanatory confounder.
Conclusions
The surprising and perplexing
significant inverse association between
reported female circumcision and HIV
seropositivity has not been explained by
other variables available and examined
in these analyses
As no biological mechanism seems
plausible, we conclude that it is due to
irreducible confounding
Anthropological insights on female
circumcision as practiced in Tanzania
may shed light on this conundrum
Recommendations
Similar analyses are needed
from other countries to
determine if this association
holds elsewhere.
It is an understatement to say
that further research is
warranted.
Thank you for your attention !






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    This study compares the residential outcomes of affluent black and affluent white households using data from the 1990 and 2000 censuses and pooled data from the 2005–2009 American Community Survey. Results indicate that affluent black households are highly segregated from their white economic peers. Furthermore, affluent black households live in neighborhoods of lower average quality compared... [Show full abstract]
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    Monday, March 5, 2018

    Read all the research on STI infections not just pro-circumcision literature

    When you look at circumcision research conducted by pro-circumcision cultures you hear that it prevents STI's.  However, when you look at epidemiological data on Sexually Transmitted Infections you find infant circumcision has failed the USA when compared to Non-Circumcision nations of Europe.  The USA has 1200% higher HIV infections than No-Circ Finland (in Press) has 500% higher HIV infections than No-Circ Germany & 300% higher HIV infections than no-circ Holland.  .  The USA has 2.7 times the Syphillus infections than than no-circ Holland. .  The USA has 33 times the Gonnoreah infections than than no-circ Holland.  .  The USA has 19 times the Chlamydia infections than No-Circ  Holland.  Infant Circumcision has failed the USA on the health measure of STI Infection rates.
     (Advocates for Youth data) http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/storage/advfy/documents/fsest.pdf

    Monday, February 12, 2018

    How is it possible that we are led to believe a circumcised penis is more attractive than an intact penis?

    Take a look at this photo comparison then answer the question in the title?

    https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/foregen/pages/48/features/original/Figure6.png?1431537702


    Saturday, January 20, 2018

    Cancer of the genitals much more common and more deadly in women that in men

    Here are the statistics from the American Cancer Society:

    In the United States, vulvar cancer accounts for nearly 6% of cancers of the female reproductive organs and 0.7% of all cancers in women. In the United States, women have a 1 in 333 chance of developing vulvar cancer at some point during their life ( an d apparently more common in younger women).

    The American Cancer Society's estimates for vulvar cancer in the United States for 2018 are:

    About 6,190 cancers of the vulva will be diagnosed
    About 1,200 women will die of this cancer.

    The American Cancer Society estimates for penile cancer in the United States for 2018 are:

    About 2,320 new cases of penile cancer diagnosed
    About 380 deaths from penile cancer
    For statistics related to survival, see Survival Rates for Penile Cancer.

    Penile cancer is rare in North America and Europe. It is diagnosed in less than 1 man in 100,000 each year and accounts for less than 1% of cancers in men in the United States.

    Cancer of the genitals appears to be part of the human condition, but definitely on the more rare side of things.  When pro-circumcision propagandists use penile cancer prevention (predominantly in elderly men)  as a reason to circumcise baby boys, it is a fear tactic and predominantly uses to scare parents into circumcising their boys.

    At least in the case for women we practice ethical medicine and don't recommend female circumcision to prevent cancer of the vulva.

    Wednesday, December 13, 2017

    Interview with Gay Man about Circumcision vs Intact

    In 30 plus years of clinical work in Australia this is the first time this subject was initiated by a patient, prompting me to declare my interest in the subject and requesting if  I could ask some questions.

    Patient A a gay man, is suffering from Major Depressive Disorder, and having problems in his relationship.  The Same Sex Marriage vote, prompted his partner to propose marriage.  Rather than jubilation, he felt more depressed.  Much time was spent trying to ascertain the cause of worsening depression symptoms?  Was it a biological exacerbation of symptoms and a deterioration of a clinical disorder vs environmental, was there something wrong in the relationship?

    In conducting an audit of the relationship, he stated sex wasn't as good as he would like it to be.  He himself is Intact but his partner is circumcised.  He stated he always preferred to be with intact men, but that his partner was the first man that he felt a deep connection with, and didn't think the circumcision was a deal breaker.  He stated the biggest negative about sex with a circumcised man was receptive anal intercourse, it tended to be much more painful than pleasurable, when compared to being with an intact man.  He stated that other forms of sex with a circumcised man were good and enjoyable, though just slightly better and more pleasurable with an intact man.

    In conclusion, Treatment is ongoing, and the biological symptoms of the disorder appear to have deteriorated making his perceptions much more negative than usual.  He believes he will accept the marriage proposal, as the person he loves is far more important than the sex.


    Saturday, December 2, 2017

    Egyptian Doctors Claim Uncircumcised women have smelly vaginas which are prone to infection

    The following is a text I copied from the website below.



    My understanding is these were Egyptian Doctors asked to comment on this subject. This is what these Medical Doctors believe about the health benefits of female circumcision, and I will post my comments in Bold Italics


    Mentioning some of these benefits, Dr. Haamid al-Ghawaabi says:

    The secretions of the labia minora accumulate in uncircumcised women and turn rancid, so they develop an unpleasant odour which may lead to infections of the vagina or urethra. I have seen many cases of sickness caused by the lack of circumcision. Lack of circumcision or poor hygeine?, nothing a good wash couldnt cure I'm sure!  

    Circumcision reduces excessive sensitivity of the clitoris which may cause it to increase in size to 3 centimeters when aroused, which is very annoying to the husband, especially at the time of intercourse. I doubt its annoying to the husband, but really has it got anything to do with the husband, what about the woman? Does she not count here? She might enjoy a sensitive clitoris it might give her pleasure, to me it sounds paternalistic controlling and mysoginistic, but then again I'm just a humanistic westerner what would I know?

    Another benefit of circumcision is that it prevents stimulation of the clitoris which makes it grow large in such a manner that it causes pain. PAIN? Sure you not mixing that up with PLEASURE?

    Circumcision prevents spasms of the clitoris which are a kind of inflammation. I think spasms of the clitoris are what is commonly known as an orgasm! Inflammation, I think its called AROUSAL where I come from!!!!!!

    Circumcision reduces excessive sexual desire. This is the real reason for female circumcision, the control of female sexuality? But again this is a basic scientific error and shows how genital cutting causes even the most intelligent people to become scientifically illiterate imbeciles.  Female sexual desire, the physical component,  like male sexual desire is hormonal caused by estrogen in women and testosterone in men, then there is also the psychological component to sexual desire.

    Then Dr al-Ghawaabi refutes those who claim that female circumcision leads to frigidity by noting:

    Frigidity has many causes, and this claim is not based on any sound statistics comparing circumcised women with uncircumcised women, except in the case of Pharaonic circumcision which is where the clitoris is excised completely. This does in fact lead to frigidity but it is contrary to the kind of circumcision enjoined by the Prophet of mercy (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) when he said: “Do not destroy” i.e., do not uproot or excise. This alone is evidence that speaks for itself, because medicine at that time knew very little about this sensitive organ (the clitoris) and its nerves. I geuss these are deeply held religious beliefs and I wont comment further.

    From Liwa’ al-Islam magazine, issue 8 and 10; article entitled Khitaan al-Banaat (circumcision of girls).

    The female gynaecologist Sitt al-Banaat Khaalid says in an article entitled Khitaan al-Banaat Ru’yah Sihhiyyah (Female circumcision from a health point of view):

    For us in the Muslim world female circumcision is, above all else, obedience to Islam, which means acting in accordance with the fitrah and following the Sunnah which encourages it. We all know the dimensions of Islam, and that everything in it must be good in all aspects, including health aspects. If the benefits are not apparent now, they will become known in the future, as has happened with regard to male circumcision – the world now knows its benefits and it has become widespread among all nations despite the opposition of some groups. Sound like excellent rationalisations if you want to believe that sort of thing, just a minor ommission, HUMAN RIGHTS!!.

    Then she mentioned some of the health benefits of female circumcision and said:

    It takes away excessive libido from women Surely a human rights issue! And again a biological fallacy, ignoring the hormonal aspect of libido, estrogen produced by the ovaries and nothing to do with genitalia.

    It prevents unpleasant odours which result from foul secretions beneath the prepuce. Heard this before, nothing a good rinse with fresh water couldnt cure.

    It reduces the incidence of urinary tract infections Is this truly the case? If so, UTI's are easily treatable with antibiotics and without  need for circumcision.

    It reduces the incidence of infections of the reproductive system. Is this truly the case? If so, Conventional medicine can treat without circumcision.

    In the book on Traditions that affect the health of women and children, which was published by the World Health Organization in 1979 it says:

    With regard to the type of female circumcision which involves removal of the prepuce of the clitoris, which is similar to male circumcision, no harmful health effects have been noted. Is this truly the case? This whole argument that female circumcision has health benefits sounds just the same as the male circumcision arguments from the USA. If you are truly offended by reading these firmly held beliefs, then you and I are similar. However, if you are offended by these arguments yet believe they are valid in the case of male circumcision, then I say you are a hypocrite, and inconsistent!

    As a closing statement I'd like to say, That these arguments in favor of female circumcision might sound primitive, barbaric and simplistic, & easily countered as I have done. But to me the arguments in favor of male circumcision sound just as primitive, barbaric & simplistic I see no difference. So as those that practice & defend femcirc sound from another planet, those that practice & defend male circ sound exactly the same to me (from the planet Uranus).